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    Yeah, sell it. Buy someone else's problem. That could be easier to fix.
    Rest in Peace Charlie!

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    I hadn't considered that. That's actually quite reasonable. :-)
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    Yeah, sell it. Buy someone else's problem. That could be easier to fix.
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    Anyone who has ever worked on a car has been in your position, and sitting cross-legged on a concrete floor with a dim shop light is its own kind of hell... Chalk it up as one of the rites of passage.
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    Wire traced the fuel injector and coil for cylinder #2. No issues, no shorts that I could find.

    Slightly raised idle fuel pressure.

    Replaced bank2 header gasket.

    Visually watched valve train during crank to see all rockers/springs/valves moving. They were.


    No change. Bank2 climbs lean at idle.
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    Originally Posted by TonyKarter
    Anyone who has ever worked on a car has been in your position, and sitting cross-legged on a concrete floor with a dim shop light is its own kind of hell... Chalk it up as one of the rites of passage.
    RIP Charlie - GRRRR8
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    Something in the tune?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wyome View Post
    Something in the tune?
    I really don't think so, but that's not my forte. The tuner didn't see anything initially that is jumping out at him, but it's all remote, which is tough.

    He suggested maybe swapping the valve springs on that lazy cylinder with ones from another bank. I'm going to give that a shot at some point, but honestly I would think a valve spring issue would show up at higher rpm, not at idle.

    I went back and looked at the oldest log I have, from 2013. I had a +5 differential on Bank2 vs Bank1 at idle. I wasn't able to view a log to see if that number climbed over time, however after acceleration or deceleration and then idle (such as at a stop sign), the fuel trims drop to B1:0/B2:+5.

    This is consistent with the idle performance today, a +5 differential on Bank2.
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    Pat G 218/226 & TSP Dual 660s, ARP Bits, DSteck Tuned, Magnacharger Chrome 2300 1:1, RCR Ported/Polished TB, Blower, & L92 Heads w/ LS3 intake valves, Smith Brothers Trunion Bushing Kit, ARH 1 7/8 Magnaflow MidMuff/Solo Axlebacks, RotoFab, VaporWorx PWM 1:1 fuel system, ID1050x injectors
    Mike Norris Motorsports Catchcan, AEM 30-4100, JHP Boost/Fuel Gauge Pod
    TSW Nurburgring Matte Gray 18" w/Nitto 555 & 555R, Satin Black SS Brembo Fronts, BMR Trailing Arms, Pedders Sway Bars, Whiteline Bushings
    Gloss Black Valve Covers, 6k HID, V6 Handles, Interior/License Plate LEDs, Debadged, Holden Black Trim, Polk Dxi, GXP diffusor, a few bits from Crazy Paul

    Originally Posted by TonyKarter
    Anyone who has ever worked on a car has been in your position, and sitting cross-legged on a concrete floor with a dim shop light is its own kind of hell... Chalk it up as one of the rites of passage.
    RIP Charlie - GRRRR8
    RIP Chris Wells - Panzer Leader

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    Going to do a hot leakdown test, and compression test. Going to check spark strength at 200deg.

    Then I'm pulling the blower and heads. Going to replace intake gaskets, lifters, springs (it's time, anyway), and upgrade to the ls9 head gasket.
    2009 PBM G8 GT
    Pat G 218/226 & TSP Dual 660s, ARP Bits, DSteck Tuned, Magnacharger Chrome 2300 1:1, RCR Ported/Polished TB, Blower, & L92 Heads w/ LS3 intake valves, Smith Brothers Trunion Bushing Kit, ARH 1 7/8 Magnaflow MidMuff/Solo Axlebacks, RotoFab, VaporWorx PWM 1:1 fuel system, ID1050x injectors
    Mike Norris Motorsports Catchcan, AEM 30-4100, JHP Boost/Fuel Gauge Pod
    TSW Nurburgring Matte Gray 18" w/Nitto 555 & 555R, Satin Black SS Brembo Fronts, BMR Trailing Arms, Pedders Sway Bars, Whiteline Bushings
    Gloss Black Valve Covers, 6k HID, V6 Handles, Interior/License Plate LEDs, Debadged, Holden Black Trim, Polk Dxi, GXP diffusor, a few bits from Crazy Paul

    Originally Posted by TonyKarter
    Anyone who has ever worked on a car has been in your position, and sitting cross-legged on a concrete floor with a dim shop light is its own kind of hell... Chalk it up as one of the rites of passage.
    RIP Charlie - GRRRR8
    RIP Chris Wells - Panzer Leader

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    Quote Originally Posted by STL_G8GT View Post
    Going to do a hot leakdown test, and compression test. Going to check spark strength at 200deg.

    Then I'm pulling the blower and heads. Going to replace intake gaskets, lifters, springs (it's time, anyway), and upgrade to the ls9 head gasket.
    Wait! It's gonna be driving season. Turn the light off and go. Freak.
    Rest in Peace Charlie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichsGreyGT View Post
    this site is hardcore modding central.

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    Haha!

    Hot leakdown was fine, spark has plenty of strength.

    Its all out.

    Gutted the cats this afternoon.
    2009 PBM G8 GT
    Pat G 218/226 & TSP Dual 660s, ARP Bits, DSteck Tuned, Magnacharger Chrome 2300 1:1, RCR Ported/Polished TB, Blower, & L92 Heads w/ LS3 intake valves, Smith Brothers Trunion Bushing Kit, ARH 1 7/8 Magnaflow MidMuff/Solo Axlebacks, RotoFab, VaporWorx PWM 1:1 fuel system, ID1050x injectors
    Mike Norris Motorsports Catchcan, AEM 30-4100, JHP Boost/Fuel Gauge Pod
    TSW Nurburgring Matte Gray 18" w/Nitto 555 & 555R, Satin Black SS Brembo Fronts, BMR Trailing Arms, Pedders Sway Bars, Whiteline Bushings
    Gloss Black Valve Covers, 6k HID, V6 Handles, Interior/License Plate LEDs, Debadged, Holden Black Trim, Polk Dxi, GXP diffusor, a few bits from Crazy Paul

    Originally Posted by TonyKarter
    Anyone who has ever worked on a car has been in your position, and sitting cross-legged on a concrete floor with a dim shop light is its own kind of hell... Chalk it up as one of the rites of passage.
    RIP Charlie - GRRRR8
    RIP Chris Wells - Panzer Leader

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    Quote Originally Posted by STL_G8GT View Post
    Haha!

    Hot leakdown was fine, spark has plenty of strength.

    Its all out.

    Gutted the cats this afternoon.
    I see what you're doing. You're trying to get out of working on the property. LOL
    Rest in Peace Charlie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichsGreyGT View Post
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    Wellllllllllllll

    got it back together with new gaskets, new injectors, new springs, and new lifters... still drifts. However, now it starts Bank1 @ -3% and Bank2 @ 0% and then at about 16mins through 20 mins Bank1 will go to 1% and Bank2 will climb to 5.5-7%.

    It seems that both banks will climb slowly, but bank 2 climbs exponentially more. These trims are significantly better than before, however the drift is still perplexing.

    Things that are new:
    Blower sealant
    Head Gaskets
    Exhaust Manifold Gaskets
    Injectors
    Springs
    o2 Sensors
    removed Cats


    Inspected, no faults found:
    Pushrods
    Valves
    rockers
    piston tops
    Lifter trays
    Spark plug wires
    Ignition Coils
    Wiring and both engine grounds
    Exhaust clamps/system
    Tested Spark distance @ temp and @ startup, both fine
    Fuel crossover @ blower

    If I think about this a bit differently, because both banks technically richen up, it really could only be bottom of the engine (extremely doubtful), a fuel pump issue (as fuel rails get hot and/or fuel pump heats up), or a ridiculous wiring issue that is temperature specific (again, doubtful).

    Oh well, at least she's got new springs in her!
    2009 PBM G8 GT
    Pat G 218/226 & TSP Dual 660s, ARP Bits, DSteck Tuned, Magnacharger Chrome 2300 1:1, RCR Ported/Polished TB, Blower, & L92 Heads w/ LS3 intake valves, Smith Brothers Trunion Bushing Kit, ARH 1 7/8 Magnaflow MidMuff/Solo Axlebacks, RotoFab, VaporWorx PWM 1:1 fuel system, ID1050x injectors
    Mike Norris Motorsports Catchcan, AEM 30-4100, JHP Boost/Fuel Gauge Pod
    TSW Nurburgring Matte Gray 18" w/Nitto 555 & 555R, Satin Black SS Brembo Fronts, BMR Trailing Arms, Pedders Sway Bars, Whiteline Bushings
    Gloss Black Valve Covers, 6k HID, V6 Handles, Interior/License Plate LEDs, Debadged, Holden Black Trim, Polk Dxi, GXP diffusor, a few bits from Crazy Paul

    Originally Posted by TonyKarter
    Anyone who has ever worked on a car has been in your position, and sitting cross-legged on a concrete floor with a dim shop light is its own kind of hell... Chalk it up as one of the rites of passage.
    RIP Charlie - GRRRR8
    RIP Chris Wells - Panzer Leader

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