Paul: curious. were the fords wining handily using that wishbone setup. or was it the other way around?
curious. do production fords have more similarity with their supercar counterparts?
Paul: curious. were the fords wining handily using that wishbone setup. or was it the other way around?
curious. do production fords have more similarity with their supercar counterparts?
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From memory the Fords were winning but front and rear downforce from the different aero packages were also reviewed at the same time. So the Holdens got handed the same front suspension geometry as Ford were using, but there were tradeoffs in front splitter and rear wing.Originally Posted by Napalm
N.B. The fastest straightline speed recorded was with the VZ (2005) because it sliced thru the air better than VE does.
No, there's virtually no production parts in a V8 supercar of either brand.
Look thru the pics from the link below. About the only thing I saw were door hinges and door catches, front and rear lights, which may or may not be stock.
The body panels may look stock but they aren't.
http://forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?t=27099
Crazy Paul
Your Holden Parts Connection in Australia!
Interesting, because the rules state that "All Cars must remain identical in all respects to the specific model from the Family of a Vehicle on which they are based and must be constructed in accordance with The Manufacturer Supplied CAD except for the freedoms allowed, and to the extent permitted, by these Rules and the VSD" and then go on to allow modifications to just about every piece of the car. I think the basic tub is sort of similar to the production piece but shortened then heavily modified, and the body panels are the kinda sorta the same, mostly?
Anyway, they sure aren't hod-rodded street cars.
The key to all that is the "freedoms allowed" clause.
Front fenders (and maybe the hood skin) aren't metal.......(see the pic of the burnt car from link above).
Look at the side-on pic of the Vodafone car.....in the "chrome" stripe above the rear window you'll see a join, this would allow a quick changeout of a rear quarter panel.
Crazy Paul
Your Holden Parts Connection in Australia!
Right, I see that. Look at the door jambs and latches - that part looks production but in the cockpit there's all sorts of stuff riveted and welded and cut out..... and the trunk even opens!
Join above rear quarter window?
Crazy Paul
Your Holden Parts Connection in Australia!
Yep, it sure looks like it.
Anyway, it's a cool-as-shit racing series and I love to watch it whenever they show it on Speed TV.
LOL.
meanwhile will I get flamed for saying I would love to see ford bring over the AUS falcons. I would probably buy one too.
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Here is a photo of the rear end in the Holden works car
And this is the exhaust header, note stepped design and tuned for max revs of 7000
The live rear end is used simply for parity between the two makes of cars. The Holden is also a bit shorter than the standard car for parity reasons too. On a race track, the live rear end is not a hindrance for these cars. The Standard road going Falcon has a better front "wishbone" compared the to the Commodore struts, so using wishbones for the front and live rear for the racing cars makes for closer racing.
The Racing Utes are close to standard however with only brakes and coil overs changed. Interestingly, the Commodore Ute runs a detuned Gen4 for parity. On a smooth track, there is not much difference between the live rear end V8 Falcon Ute (short for Utility vehicle) and the IRS Commodore. The Ute would be a huge seller in the USA and you see them everywhere in Australia. The concept took off when they were regarded as a "2 door sports". Once you accept that idea, they easily blow the doors off conventional "girls" sports cars like the Mazda MX5.
Last edited by Aussie; 10-06-2011 at 05:57 PM. Reason: extra info
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